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so i know how important that is. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here. wrmp you're joining us from around the world, thank you for joining us. breaking news. new nmpgts information on the bowlings in new york and new jersey. asking for the public's help to find these two men. they're believed to be connected with one of bombs allegedly placed on the streets of north city by ahmad rahami. the pressure cooker bomb place and 27th street that did not explode. bring in our justice correspondent pamela brown. pamela, who are these men? why do police want to talk to them?
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>> that's right. wolf, they're surveillance video coordinated to investigators showing these two men seeing a bag on the street. on 27th street. in the hour that bomb went off on 23rd street. opening up the bag and taking out a why plastic bag with the bomb inside of it and then placing that on the sidewalk and walking away with the luggage. we see in the surveillance video here. right now the fbi is just calling these two men witnesses. in1re679 gate reiterated that earlier in a press conference saying there's no reason to believe that they're suspects but they want to talk to these two men to see what they know and they need that luggage the men walked off with as evidence in this case. investigators also said that when they opened the bag and took out the explosive in the white trash bag, that they looked incredulous. again, two important witnesses in this investigation that the fbi has yet to locate and the fbi needs the public help in identifying them and locating
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them. wolf? >> because the -- poster they put out simply says seeking information unknown individuals. explosive device. new york, new york. what about the prosecutors? what are they saying about the planning and the preparation for ahmad rahami now charged federally as well as in new jersey? >> the criminal complaint that came out has a wealth of details about the pre-meditation and the planning that went into this, and investigators allege that the bombing suspect actually was igniting an explosive in a backyard just two days before the bombs were placed and this was captured on cell phone video that belonged to a relative of the bombing suspect and the fbi says that in that video you see the suspect setting off this explosive. there's billowing smoke, laughing in the background and the suspect walks back in to the frame and the complaint also says back in june the suspect was ordering bomb materiels, bombmaking materiels on ebay that were being shipped to a
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business where he apparently worked. and then that continued throughout the summer and also the surveillance video is crucial in this investigation showing the bombing suspect going into manhattan through the lincoln tunnel two hours before the bomb was placed and then leaving several hours later. i can tell you, wolf what has stuck out to investigators is the fact that the bombing suspect did very little to cover his tracks. in fact, according to the criminal complaint, 12 fingerprints were recovered from that pressure cooker that never went off on 27th street, and investigators say those fingerprints belong to that bombing suspect. wolf? >> all right, pamela, thank you. pamela brown with the latest information. bringing in cnn senior law enforcement tom fuentes, former assistant director of the fbi. when you saw this announcement put out four days into this investigation, why did it take so long for the fbi to show the pictures of these two individuals saying these are witnesses, may have good
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information? clearly they want to inspect that bag they found. why did it take so long to put their pictures up? >> i think they thought we have have located in before now. looking for them the first time, saturday night when it came out two individuals removed the contents of the duffel bag. turned out to be the pressure cooker bomb in the white plastic bag. they would be immediately looking for thema possibility standing around on a street corner chatting when rahami brought that duffel bag up and set it on the sidewalk and would have been able to describe him right away even before they ever had anybody's videos including rahami's. would have been key witnesses right from the beginning of this. why they waited this way i'm sure they had a reason other than, you know, hoping they would come in or might, not be frightened and make it look like you know, they might get arrested and thrown away in jail. >> hoping these two guys who knew they found that bag would just say you know what? maybe we have information. maybe there are fingerprints on that bag that would be useful to
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the fbi investigation. let's go report it ourselves. >> exactly. >> say we found this bomb. didn't know it was a bomb but saw the suitcase and took the suitcase. i originally thought when i heart abouted two individuals, found a bok inside the plastic bag, the two humblest guise just wanted to take the bag for whatever reason. so the viewers the picture. these two guys do not look like homeless guys. they're pretty well dressed, casually dressed, walking around the streets of new york city. so clearly these are not two homeless men. >> no. they don't appear to be at all. >> at least they don't appear to be. they bare to appear to be two g. law enforcement, just wants witnesses, question them, get eyewitness accounts. i read the poster seeking information, unknown individuals. fbi's asking for the public's assistance in locating these two unknown individuals.
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closed-circuit television recorders indicate these individuals located luggage on the sidewalk remove pd and improvised device from the luggage and left the vicinity leaving the device behind, but taking the luggage, and described where this all took place. but what sort of jumped out at me, you're an fbi expert, served in the fbi how many years? >> 30. >> 30. a former assistant director. end of the notice, if you have any information concerns this case please contact the fbi toll-free tipline, 1-800-call-fbi. your local fbi office. these words jumped out at me. tell me if this is routine or not. or the nearest american embassy or consulate. do they routinely naught in ll looking for guys in the united states? >> on occasion. one reason this weekend, thousands of visitors are in new york from another country on a regular, daily basis. thousands more had come in last week for the united nations
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festivities, and having worked international operations, run the operations my last five years, on the board of interpol, i would hear this all over the world that individuals from all over the world fear their police. they fear that if they go to the police don't want to be witnesses, don't want to be anything because they might get thrown in jail and never heard of again. there's that international fear and that's why, put a comment in there if you're worried, contact your consulate, from another country, contact your embassy, make sure you're protected and your rights are protected. it's a cautionary note for outsiders to not fear u.s. law ennoersment. >> sort of jumped out also was, it's been four days since that whole incident, on saturday. and maybe these two guys left the united states by now and are maybe someplace out of the country and if people outside of the country know these guys, recognize, being watched around the world now, you can contact
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your nearest american embassy for consulate. lots of questions. police saying they're witnesses, just want to question them. the right now they're not seen as suspects or anything along that line. they want them to voluntarily come to the police and report what they know and especially hand over that bag. >> and even if totally innocent, might have seen rahami, at the time, have a description or now have information rahami got in the car and can describe a vehicle, with other individuals. so they could still have great information of value even though they weren't involved. >> tom, thanks. stay with us. more we have to discuss. from capitol hill right now i want to continue this discussion on the investigation. illinois republican congressman adam kinsinger is joining us. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. >> you bet. thanks. >> you're a veteran, a military veteran served in afghanistan. served in iraq. do you believe based on everything you've read, everybody you've heard, everything you know that others may have been involved in
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helping ahmad khan rahami plot this terror attack? >> sure. it's very possible. obviously i'll leave that to the fbi to come to that conclusion. they're the best. i don't have the expertise they do. one of two things. you either have these two individuals, they may have been innocent, somehow remove this pressure cooker device and walk away or maybe associated. one possibility. but then the other question of his repeated trips to afghanistan. and i actually heard on cnn the other day a great analyst say, bombmakers usually are missing fingers, unless they learn from a professional how to make bombs of this caliber, and he went to afghanistan a number of times. did he have help in afghanistan learning how to make bake ieds? again, a lot to find ot. regardless whether he acted alone or in a big group, in the 21st century now it really, i think -- it's important for law enforcement to know how somebody was radicalized but it's
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radicalization period, whether on the internet or a phone call from baghdadi. >> born in afghanistan, family from afghanistan. came to the united states as a young boy, became annalized u.s. citizen. but what's more intriguinintrigl me if you agree. also went to nearby pakistan and at one point spent oalmost a yer in pakistan, quetta a hotbed of taliban activity. how important is that? >> i think it's really important. somebody from afghanistan, you can expect to return home, maybe see family. for periods of time. but going to somewhere where there's a hotbed of taliban activity in pakistan for a year, the question is, what was he doing there? was he just working a job and wanted to spend time in pakistan? or was he building relationships with the taliban? and learning how to do this and how to eventually be radicalized. going to the broader question of, what is just him that the taliban or al qaeda or whoever may have trained him send him back to act alone or repeated
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multiple times into what we have as basically a terrorist cell which these two men may or may not be part of. that's up to the fbi to determine, but if there's a broader cell that is something we need to know because we need to wrap up the rest of the cell and find out where other cells are, too. >> just got, a new image, picture. mike mccall, chairman of the house homeland security put it up pap bloody journal found at the scene of one of these bombings in which this individual wrote out ahmad khan rahami, the alleged terrorist, who's now under arrest, wrote out all sorts of allegiances, if you will, praise for anwar awlaki, for example. the al qaeda leader killed in a u.s. drone strike. american born, about four, five, six years ago. also wrote about the boston marathon bombings, with intriguing, also, one of the attempted bombings was in seaside park, new jersey, where
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there was a marine 5k run about to begin. it was delayed but that bomb went off before the race started. otherwise, there could have been a lot of casualties. when you see this, see the information about the bloody journal that congressman mccall has now displayed and hear all of these allegations, what goes through your mind as someone who served there in afghanistan? >> well, it shows pure hate. i think we have to be careful to take that ramblings of a journal and try to say, this guy was mentally unstable because of this, which i've heard some people kind of imply. first off, maybe not. it doesn't really matter, because even if he pledges allegiance to one terrorist group and also pledges allegiance to another that both happen to be fighting each other, the fact is those groups would be happy to bring him into their fold, teach him the art of terrorism and the send him back into the u.s. as he's an american citizen to do harm. in the 21st century it's so important to get out of this
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idea the only terrorists we ought to be worried about are the ones recruited directly by hillary clint al qaeda. in the era of internet, you don't need conversation. just a web page that clicks somewhere and trips something in your mind is enough to be a very dangerous terrorist. >> let me read to you a little bit, because mike mccall, the chairman of the house homeland security and in holding up the image of the bloody journal as he called it. he read from it, and i'll read a couple sentences from mike manage cal mccall. a copy of mr. rahami's journal a journal found on his person when taken into custody. talks about the sound of bombs on the street. praised osama bin laden, talked about anwar awlaki, talked about the texas terror attack, about pressure cooker bombs and pipe bombs in the street as they plan to run a mile. talks about god willing the sound of bombs will be heard in
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the streets. gunshots to your police, death to your oppression. you consider your slaughter on the mujahadin, be in afghanistan, syria, palestine and went on and on. from mike mccall. clearly there are indications in this journal that was found on ahmad khan rahami's person, if you will, when he was arrested, that would indicate at least some sort of inspiration from al qaeda? >> yes. at least inspiration. and when he talks about hearing the bombs, maybe more. what you have definitely in the least is a man that was burning with jihadist anger against a country that granted his citizenship and gave he and his family so much. despite all that, having a job, getting things taken care of for him in new york city because of this depth of radicalization he desperately wanted to kill americans. whether it lasted a long time or was a change at the end is something that's a larger problem in the future. but important for us to look at
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this calmly, to react, to find out what tools law enforcement need to defeat terrorism in their home ground, ultimately as americans we cannot let this shake the foundation of who we are. because we are the most powerful country in the world and we face down demons before and won. >> congressman adam kinsinger of illinois, thanks for joining us. >> you bet. thanks. >> let me quickly button this up. with tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director. new information from the chairman of the house homeland security committee. what does it says? >> that he's a terrorist, inspired by a collection of terrorist groups. al awlaki, and still out there, still throughout to be looked at, also possible allegiances to the taliban. whether in afghanistan or the taliban in pakistan and they are pr separate organizations. a multiple set of groups inspiring him and he was
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follows. an anti-u.s. desire to kill people. >> and he spoke about the fort hood terror massacre, about the boston marathon terror massacre. an element of copyaccount as well as -- copycat. stay with us. two communities here in the united states in turmoil after police shootings killing black men. how can relations between police and african-americans be improved? there you see alma adams standing by live. plus live pictures of a donald trump rally set to get underway in ohio. will he have something to say about these recent shootings? we're standing by. also right now, the u.s. attorney in new york is speaking out about the bombings in new jersey and new york. i want to listen in. >> -- keeping new york safe. i want to note the city also has a new fbi assistant director in
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charge in the form of bill sweeney who only has a few weeks in this current position working nonstop with the nypd and joint terrorism force to invest gate capture and now charge the alleged bomber. from the moment the bomb went off saturday evening until the capture in lindin, new jersey, monday morning just about 39 ho that's an amazing feat. all should be immensely thankful and grateful to the tireless and seamless work of the fbi, nypd, jttf, linden police department and other countless agencies who got us to the finish line there and i want to take the opportunity to acknowledge and thank the work of the investigators and prosecutors in my own office who worked on this investigation around the clock. like many agents and officers at the jttf have barely slept since saturday and continuing to work hard on the investigation. assistant u.s. attorneys.
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their supervisor. as well as investigators. thanks to their work yesterday evening, we filed a four-count criminal claomplaint charging h rami against acts of terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, bombings of a place of public use and destruction of property for the chelsea bombing. federal charges also brought against him in new jersey as well as for the bombs rahami allegedly planted in seaside park and elizabeth, new jersey. the first case to proceed will be the federal case brought yesterday in manhattan federal court. we have filed a writ for rahami with the u.s. marshal's service. and soon brought into this district. the charges unsealed lay out considerable evidence the fbi and nypd were able to ganger in
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a limited amount of time. the evidence includes 12 fingerprints recovered from the undetonated bomb. including on the pressure cooker, duct tape and the triggering cell phone. surveillance video of rahami allegedly near the 23rd street bomb. 27 minutes before the explosion. surveillance video of rahami walking with a suitcase near 27th street minutes after the explosion. four blocks south. license plate readers showing a car tied to rahami's residence entering manhattan through the lincoln tunnel about two hours before the explosion. and leaving manhattan about two hours after. and also a handwritten journal found on rahami at the time of his arrest talking about among other things jihad, pipe bombs, a pressure cooker bomb, and the sounds of bombs heard in the street, as well as laudatory references to anwar al awlaki and osama bin laden.
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this weekend as you all appreciate the american way of life was attacked, and every day routines shaken by explosions in chelsea and seaside park. the response to these misguided acts of terror has been classically american. and what we have come to expect in our city from new yorkers. care for the victims, calm in the midst of chaos and swift action. now thankful to that response rahami faces federal terrorism charges in a court of law. let me turn now to what we came here to talk about. showing in some ways diversity of our docket. sometimes law enforcement does us so proud as we saw this week. >> all right in respect he is. u.s. attorney in new york. attorney bharara, explaining charges lettered against ahmad khan rahami, planted bombs in new york and new jersey. tom fuentes still with us.
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went into details what they found in the journal. heard from the chairman of the house homeland security committee as well references to awlaki killed in the u.s. sdrdr strike, american born from al qaeda also. bin laden, references to fort hood, texas, the terror attack references to the boston marathon. these are serious charges that have been levelled against this individual. >> right. why he went into such detail to describe what goes into those charge, what the predicates were and requesting that rahami be brought to manhattan and housed in the federal lockup because they want those charges to supersede the local charges, serious enough, shoot outwith police there, the more serious charges are the terrorism charges. >> charged in new jersey locally with attempted murder of a police officer, a serious charge as well. several other counts in new jersey, but you're saying the federal charges would take precedence over the local charges? he would then be brought to new
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york where he would await trial on the federal charges? >> right. he's making the request that the martial's go pick him up and bring him to manhattan and hoping new jersey officials will acquiesce and say just take him. >> normally they would. >> yes. >> a lot of news we're following. stay with us. taking a quick break. we'll be right back. what? i'm snapping. you've been streaming my videos all morning. now you're with this thing? no! it's not you! it's verizon! they limit my data. i had to choose. come on, girl. let's get us a man with unlimited data. why pay verizon more for data limits? introducing t-mobile one. one price. unlimited data for everyone. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise...
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flossers and dental floss. gum® brand. to another story we're covering. a major story a after a night of violent protest trying to dispel rumors about what happened during a fatal police shooting. police officers looked for a man named in a warrant trying to serve. scott's family says he was simply sitting in his car and reading a book, but police say that wasn't the case nap scott got out of the car with a gun. >> i can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made reference to. i can just tell you what i know based on what we've gathered through the scientific process of going through the evidence. and we did find a weapon, and the weapon was there and the witnesses krauper airted it, too, beyond the officers.
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>> the incident sparked a nice of pro test and violence. hundreds turn toed out in the city of charlotte. some jumped on a police van and stomped on it, others start add fire in the middle of the highway. several injured five arrested. the governor issued a statement about the events in charlotte over the past 24 hours. it says in part -- it's very important that we all work together as a team to solve a very difficult issue and to bring peace and resolution. my prayer, with the scott family and also with our law enforcement especially the 16 police officers who were injured last night. as governor i'm going to do everything i can to support the entire city leadership in their effort to resolve this situation. i want to bring in democratic congresswoman alma adams representing the 12th congress the district of carolina including charlotte and a member of the congress' black caucus. thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you very much for having me.
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>> let me get your reaction to what has happened in your community in charlotte over the past 24 hours. what is your reaction? >> well, let me just say that my heart's broken and i've devastated as many of our citizens are there. i certainly want to extend my condolences and sympathy and support to the scott family on their loss, and certainly we're concerned about everyone who was hurt in the protests on last evening in charlotte, including our police officers. but i agree to some extent with the governor. we do have to work together. i'm hoping that it's my understanding that we don't have all of the information. that the tapes that the police chief has reviewed will not be released at this point. but i think it's important for the community to come together. we are concerned that we've had so many killings and that so many lives which all lives
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matter, but we're concerned that we've had another black male to be killed in this way. so i'm just hoping that in order for us to resolve this, that we need to not only work together as a community. i've been in touch with the -- with the city officials there. i had a conversation with the mayor this morning, and we're doing everything we can on this end to address it and should there be need for me to return back to charlotte very quickly, i'm prepared to do it. we are in the middle of a process here with the c.r. coming up, but i am very closely in touch with our elected leaders, with our leadership there including the naacp and we want a resolution to the issue, but we want to make sure that we
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get the answers that we need to move on and to bring peace back to our community. >> a quick question, congresswoman. the police chief kerr putney. i assume you know the police chief. we just heard what he had to say. do you have confidence in him? >> i do have confidence in the police chief. i respect him a lot. as a matter of fact, just a couple of months ago i did a, a town hall with the police chief talking to the community and interacting with the community about community-police relationships. so we are working together, and we're going to continue to do that, because our citizens deserve it, and we are very, very concerned about the happenings in our community and the happenings across this country. >> representative alma adams, representing charlotte, north carolina. thanks for joining us. >> thank you very much for having me. >> let's bring in our panel once again. our senior law enforcement
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analyst tom fuentes and former chicago police officer dmitri roberts now president and founder of seven star consulting. tom, get your reaction. you saw at least some of the video. you saw the pictures. what's your reaction to what happened in charlotte jrch? >> first of all, my heart goes out to the scott family and loved one. this has to be and will be thoroughly investigated. we don't have enough to say whether the officer was jufr justified or not, or a homicide on the part of police. we just don't know that yet. >> and as a community member, i'm pissed. as a former cop i get it, but here's the solution. we have to bridge this cultural divide between law enforcement and the community. a problem deal wig the community in this country and it has to be fixed. >> so how do you do that? >> cultural awareness training,
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sensitivity training. bridging a divide where there are cultural differences. i said it, built a platform and willing to implement it. cultural doesn't have a color. a black man shot, a white officer shot him. this underscores my point that the cultural differences at play but also biases have to be addressed as well. >> so cultural differences, dmit dmitri, between law enforcement authorities and the community especially the african-american community? is that what you're saying? >> absolutely. and those cultural differences a are -- is leading to these issues. the community doesn't have a voice. why they're taking to the streets, rioting, why police officers are getting hurt. until the police departments are willing to stand in the gap, step up, be the leadership and be the leaders they are known to be and stand side by side with these community members we'll continue to see them take to the streets and deal with the police in the ways they have.
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it's us, former law enforcement officers as well as active police officers that have to take a bet are approach, be leaders, stand up with the community and step forward with solutions and not continue to have press conferences talking about what we can't say. >> let's turn to tulsa, oklahoma, for a moment. another deadly police shooting there. tom, look at the police helicopter video. we'll show it to our viewers. you can see terence crutch hear his hands up walking back towards his suv, but what is in dispute is what happened once he got to his vehicle. the police officer says he was reaching into the suv window. now let's take a look at the dashcam video. once again, you can see his hands are up in the air, but it's hard to see what happened next, because of the officer's position. the family the attorney argues the window was rolled up so crutcher could not have been reaching for anything. what do you see, tom, as you watch this video and look at the
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picture? >> first of all, i see he's behind that vehicle in between the squad car, his personal vehicle and hads up nds up in t. we presume the officer is trying to get him on the ground, surrender, be taken into custody. he refuses. walks back to his car. notice from the dashcam, what you see from the helicopter is not what her angle of vision would have been. behind that car she's not able to see if that window's open or not. right there. that angle. so when he walks back to the driver's side door and his hands come down, she doesn't know if he's pulling a gun, opening the door, reaching in the window, and it's a much different view of what she has than what the helicopter has. secondly, it's a possibility, we don't know that either, because we don't have the audio, did the officer with the taser fire first, and then she's reacting to shots fired, and begins shooting? that could happen. so we could have the taser being shot and she just reacting to that and firing shots on her
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own. we don't know that yet. it needs to be invest gaigated thoroughly. we need her camera, dashcam, audio. awed yes from helicopter pilots what do they know? circling around -- and the helicopter angle does not show the driver's side at the time his hands come down. they show it later, and you can see, yes. his window was up. back window up also, it appears, but she doesn't have that angle of view and a split second to decide if his movements of aggressive. >> we probably won't get the video. what's your analysis as a former police officer? >> listen, i've had to pull my gun on most evenings that i worked in the city of chicago and worked in inglewood. regardless of the angle and approach, this man was unarmed. he had his hands up. that omp when she closed the distance between him had an opportunity to put her gun away and to address him using a less than lethal force.
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period. i don't care what the procedures are or what other departments say, as an officer, you have to take a different approach when dealing with situations and somebody said earlier, well, maybe this officer choked? well, well-trained don't choke. effectively deal with situations and efficiently get suspects in custody or deal with it with less than lethal force. that's my thoughts, and this is, again, underscores my point that there needs to be better police training around these issues. there was biases at play in this situation and i think this officer and this department is going to be very hard-pressed to come up with some responses that is going to meet the kblunt tco where they need to. >> thank you very much. there's other news we're following. donald trump says african-american communities are in the worst shape, quoting him now, "ever, ever, ever." do the facts support that?
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only moments ago president barack obama and the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu began what's expected to be their last meeting at the president of the united states for barack obama. the two had a sometimes rocky relationship as all viewers know. today's talks center on a lot of effort to try to revive some israeli/palestinian peace process and tension and trouble in the region before the actual meeting got started they invited
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roerts a reporter into their session and this is what they said. >> as you conclude your presidency, i know you're going to be busy with many, many things, much more than improving what i hear is a terrific golf game. your voice, your influential voice will be heard for many decades and i know you'll continue to support israel's right to defend itself and it's right to thrive as a jewish state. so i want you to know, barack, that you'll always be a welcome guest in israel. >> these are challenging times. the one thing i can say about prime minister netanyahu is he has always been candid with us and his team has cooperated very effectively with ours. we very much appreciate it. and i guarantee you that i will visit israel often, because it is a beautiful country with beautiful people. >> david gregory, our political
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analyst is with us. carefully crafted words. it comes a day after the president and his u.n. general assembly speech spoke of the need for a two-state solution, a new state of palestine living along israel. >> a goal since president bush, who i covered before then. obviously acted before then as well working on that diplomacy without any success. notable because such a strained relationship poor the whole course of the obama presidency. eloquent words aforesaid they couldn't get along especially on the issue of iran and the nuclear program. a huge aid deal the u.s. has given to israel. agreed to, by israel in part, because hedging bets about the potential for a trump presidency and also remember that hillary clinton never got along with benjamin netanyahu back in the day of the clinton administration. politics is complicated. the politics of international relations, just as much. >> ten-year military assistance agreement with israel that the president announced just the other day. everyone stand by. there's other news we're following including the politics
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of race relations here in united states, and why donald trump is facing new criticism for his response to two deadly police shootings involving african-american men. >> he is unqualified to be president -- >> hillary clinton lacks the judgment -- >> the scams, the frauds -- >> hillary clinton has evaded justice! >> he clearly has something to hide. >> her conduct is disqualifying. you tell your insurance company they made a mistake.
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trail. hillary clinton and donald trump expected to speak within the hour. trump is holding a rally in toledo, ohio. clinton will give an economic speech in orlando, florida. their events come as racial tensions escalate following those police shootings of black men in oklahoma and north carolina. just a few hours ago trump spoke as a predominantly african-american church in cleveland and addressed the shooting in tulsa. >> to me it looked like a, you know, somebody that was doing what they were asking him to do. and this young officer, i don't know what she was thinking. i don't know what she was thinking. but i'm very, very troubled by that. i'm very, very troubled by that. >> the police are troubled by it too. they look at it. now, did she get scared? was she choking? what happened? but maybe people like that, people that choke, people that do that, maybe they can't be doing what tear doing.
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mine while, hillary clinton treated keith lamont scott, terence crutcher, too many others, this has got to end. so will either candidate expand on their rallies upcoming in just a little while? let's bring in our political panel to discuss. with me, gloria borger, cnn political analyst the author of "how's your faith" david gregory and abbey phily phillip, a repo the "washington post." so donald trump's response to the shootings, how will they play out? >> well, let me say this is a different response from what we have heard in the past. it's subdued and there's a couple things that come to mind. he's always aware of his audience. he's a showman, as we know, he's speaking to a predominantly black audience and he understands his audience. this is somebody who didn't want to get booed in front of this audience. second thing, of course, is that he is trying to appeal to a broader range of voters,
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including african-americans and including white suburban voters who don't want to vote for somebody whom they consider to be intolerant and/or imtemperat even a racist. he's at 1% to 3% in the polls with african-americans. mitt romney got i think 6%. but you know i think this is a different trump in front of a different audience at a different time in the campaign. >> abby, listen to what he said last night at a rally in north carolina. >> our african-american communities are absolutely in the worst shape that they've ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. i mean, honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. >> how's that playing? >> well, you know, the two clips kind of side by side really illustrate both i think a problem for trump and a problem for hillary clinton which is
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that trump has trouble being consistent and as a result nobody knows where he stands on anything but for the clinton campaign they can't pin him down because one day he says one thing and the next day he says another. so this is a common theme that's going to continue throughout this campaign. and in that second clip, a couple weeks ago donald trump was saying "what do you have to lose?" and everyone pointed out pretty clearly that for african-american people in this country, where they are today is definitely an improvement on where they were 50 years ago in a state like north carolina. do name one. >> recent poll, david, show he's getting about what, 3% nationally, of the african-american vote? that's less than john mccain, less than mitt romney. you can see hillary clinton gets 93
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93%. >> he's not going to do a lot better given the statements he's made but i think what he's doing is huing to a larger strategy which is to impress her turnout. she is underperforming with younger voters, potentially with african-american voters. there's a lack of enthusiasm for hillary clinton which he has to turn around. that's the ultimate goal if you're donald trump. it's important for both these candidates on a big complex discussion like the relationship between the african-american community and the police, the short hand of a campaign is a tough time to do it responsibly and constructively so they should try and compassion is important but this becomes a big topic to use the presidential megaphone for once we have a new president. >> and this is where the debates are going to be important because you're not playing to an audience in front of you, you're playing to the american people and if there are questions directed about changing positions, you know, the convention was all about blue lives matter and now donald
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trump is saying something else, he's nuanced it. this is where the debate moderators can ask the question, who is at fault? what do you believe? what should be done? and to try to pin down donald trump and hillary clinton for these important issues for the entire country to watch. >> what the president of the united states can do and the first lady of the united states can do is help generate the support that hillary clinton needs to get out the vote. because turnout in the african-american community, turnout in general will be critically important. >> when i talk to people who are close to the white house they say the president and the first lady are pretty sure that they're going to have to take this on themselves. they'll have to be out there in philadelphia and the suburbs and in north carolina and other places where she needs african-american turnout to be close to the levels he had them at in 2012 in order to
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compensate for what is likely to be a loss among white voters going into this election. the president -- we saw that from him in the last week, he is fired up about this because he knows that his entire legacy is on hillary clinton's shoulders right now. >> and if he can recreate that base of support he had that got him twice elected president of the united states, that will go a long way to helping her. >> it will go a long way but it will be difficult. she's at something like 68% negative ratings, it's difficult. on these kinds of issues, whether it's the issues of race and policing or the issues of terrorism, the obvious question in a presidential race is well, what is your plan to fix this? in many cases there is very little the federal government can do but who they are as people, what they care about, how they can inspire the country can do a long way to reaching into communities. >> and these shooting incidents of the black men will have an impact as well. >> certainly. and i think the democrats hope that if this race is about
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mobilization much less than persuasion that this will help mobilize democratic voters to the polls. she can be at 95% with african-americans but if they don't vote it's still a problem for her. >> we have to leave it there but the news will continue. that's it for me. thanks for watching. the news continues right here right now on cnn.
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you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin, thank you so much for being with me. we begin with the shooting of another african-american man in this country at the hands of police. two very different stories here. we'll walk you through both. first his name -- keith lamont scott. he was 43. his death has fuelled violent protests in the streets of yet another american city, this one, charlotte, north carolina. some of these protesters turn on police. 16 officers injured in total. several vehicles damaged, fires were lit,

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